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Even if Australia suddenly has a change of heart and decides to withdraw racism charges that earned the spinner a three-match ban from the Match Referee, it's too late, according to laws of the International Cricket Council (ICC).
According to a source in the ICC, once the Appeals Commissioner is appointed, the process would complete its full course, even if the complainant wants to drop the charges.
"In Hogg's case, the charges of abusing the Indian players were laid by their administrative manager Chetan Chauhan, who later withdrew it," he said.
"But in Harbhajan's case, the charges were brought by both the on-field umpires, after which ICC has already appointed John Hansen as the Appeals Commissioner. The process would go the full distance in this case", the source said.
Harbhajan was slapped with a three-match ban by Match Referee Mike Proctor who found the Indian off-spinner guilty of racially abusing Australia's Andrew Symonds during the ill-tempered second Test in Sydney.
Harbhajan has decided to appeal against the ruling but the ICC has still not fixed a date for the hearing.
24th November 2007, Assam, India.what happened ?nothing... ? one person died ? .....sheeeh sheeh...nothing happened.....Biggest democratic nation in the world ?India who boast herself as the biggest democracy in the world should look into the scenes and pictures flashed across the nation of crowd stripping and chasing an adivaasi woman in Assam.Now, videos also showed adivaasi men being cruelly beaten to death by the local throng, while policemen simply stand sedentary. Indira Goswami who is a relevant social activist simply said it is very unfortunate and said, she want greater transparancy ???State government, run by Congress whose national leader itself is a woman, who claimed to have gave up PM post for the greater consciousness is sitting blind on these issues ? maybe there are cast politics and subsequent vote banks to be taken care of ....what about the oppositon party who wants India to regain the past glory ? how can a rape of Indian adivaasi woman go unnoticed by those who want indian women to be worshipped as gods ? why do they keep mum ?what are we doing by demanding PERMANENT POST in United Nations ? what can a country give when its own women citizen is stripped and chased across the streets ? Is this the country where Mahatma Gandhi lived ? what happened to his ideologies ?First Woman President of India - Prathibha Patel - why cant she do anything about this ? Is Tribals and lower cast women and men not protected by any laws ? Or is that they dont have a claim over this nation ? why cant a president ring up the Assam Chief Minister and ask what is happening there. Why cant PM all Assam CM ? why cant a Supreme Court Judge call and ask ????why is this happening here ?what more will India need before someone stand up and ask questions ?is there anyone in this nation who can put a stop into this ????? anyone....anyone who read this ????
sharad power is will win the next election ICC he trying his best. this is "india sold power win gold offer"
The BCCI instead of pulling out the team from Australia, has succumbed to their bullying again!! India's honour seriously compromised by BCCI for bucks!! Is that right?
IT IS STUPIDITY AND SHOWING MEEKNESS AND ENCORAGING CRICKET TO BE THE GAME OF THE WHITES. SHAME ON YOU SHARAD PAWAR FOR BEING UNPATRIOTIC AND TRAITOR.
I am absolutely astounded that a country that has suffered racism in the past, is now supporting racism itself. No amount of spin-doctoring can hide the fact that Symonds has been racially abused- both by Indian fans when he was in India and by Harbhajan in Australia. Is your cricket barracking so important to you that you will abandon any sense of moral outrage that racism is being accepted by your own cricket team? The Australians were lucky in Sydnety to get a few dodgy decisions go their way, can you in your heart tell me that never happened to them before nuetral umpires in India? Does it give you an excuse to allow racism into your cricket team? I cannot believe even the comments here talking about blacks and negroes in derogatory terms. Have you learned nothing from the days when the British empire were so racist to you? The British mind you, not the blacks like Symonds.
Waxer, there is no question of supporting racisim. The fact is that the brave Sardar (Harbhajan) did not use the word "monkey". So where is the question of condoing or not condoning racism. In fact you show utter bias by assuming that Harbhajan uttered the word at Symonds!! So don't behave as if you are speaking from a high moral ground!! Come on, don't act like Mr. Proctor: believe the Australians without corroboration and disbelieve the Indians without a fair hearing>
Someone wrote that Tagore or Bernard Shaw did not meet people like Ponting. I thought of not answering this because of its ignoramus nature. But later changed my mind and wish to ask, "Is Ricky Ponting worse than General Dyre?" If so, then hats off to Indian nationalism and patriotism. Tagore lived in the era of people like General Dyre. Hope this will answer something, if not everything. We are far from those age. I do not wish to go back to that age when my children will be called "monkey" by whites and non-whites equally, because India and Indians have agreed that it is not a big deal. I have to keep on writing to get the menace of racism out of the face of humankind. I worry about my children and other children's future.
Mr Chandu Chakori, your comment is exactly what Indian racism looks like. You decide about a persons character by what he/she eats or whether he/she can speak English. Bravo! For your information, except England most of the European countries do not speak English. China and Japan also do not speak English. So according to you, they are all rubbish, right? Get rid off your mask, and come out and say' "yes I love English speaking people."
I meant dissent, not dessent. Correction.
Have you ever heard of rivalry between England and France? Or France and Germany? Ireland and England? And recent division between conservatives and liberal Americans. Read some world history, before commenting. These countries are all divided in variety of ways. This is called civilization. Any great civilization stands on one thing that is called contradiction. In a way India is also a country which is based on a variety of contradictions, that is why there are people like pravinbhai and I can co-exist. Don't let the country go in a path where plurality is not appreciated. Say if any conduct of India or Indians violate human dignity. There is nothing wrong to show some dessent. Dessent is real patriotism. A recent example is John Kerry. If you know what I mean.
What about millions of Indians beeing killed by Indians. So the moment British said divide the Indian's; immediately Indians turned their anger towards another group of Indians. What a patriotism! Are we a nation of idiots that as soon as British say, "divide" we go on killing rampage of our own brothers? 1947 is not too far is it? Get your own history straiten up. Fortunately Tagore died before 1947, or else he would have died of shame. Before telling what Belgiam did, think about what we did, that too to our own people. We still carry that scar, but try to hide it behind a slogan, "British's divide and rule policy". Instesd of pointing fingers to others, first point fingers to ownself. The world is not just, that does not meen we should justify our misdeeds. Globalization should therefore be restricted to intellectual reciprocation, not just trade, to be a civilized country. That is what Tagore suggested. Wish we had understood him.
Indian cricket team and India as nation can not have respect in the world till Indian cricket is run by corrupt politicians.It is time to sack Shukla and Sharad Pawar.These two shameless politicians and ruining the game and destroying the national prestige in the eyes of the world.Not long ago Pawar was pushed by Australian cricket captain and he enjoyed that treatment.If he had been kicked in the back side he would have appreciated more.Get rid of these to rottwielers.
yes, that Gutka eating shah, who cant even speak proper hindi, for get english and never have played cricket beyong school level. what these guys have done to deserve BCCI bossmanship,except politicking? Sonia guided pawar to cricket, and kept him away from important politics of the nations. What a mard (? ) maratha.
DIVIDE AND RULE IS THE POLICY OF ICC. THEY PUT DIVISION AMONG IND-PAK-SL-BANGLA. W.I. WILL SUPPORT THE EUROPEANS. TIME TO THINK IT OUT, OTHERWISE WE ALL WILL END UP BOWING THEM. BUT DONT BUDGE INDIA, INSPITE OF THE FACT THAT SOME INDIANS LOVE THE EUROPEANS MORE THAN INDIA AND ACT ON THEIR ORDER.
Some Indians don't love Europeans, they just love human being. And like to call the earth their celestial abode. Do you know the old Sanskrit verse: "Vasudhaiba Kutumbakum"? If not learn it and respect India's core human values. It is not too hard. Such act only put India to a respectable place instead of being ridiculed as a nation of billions who find pleasure serving white asses, oops white bosses. Wish you have some respect for Indian values.
Have you ever heard of rivalry between England and France? Or France and Germany? Ireland and England? And recent division between conservatives and liberal Americans. Read some world history, before commenting. These countries are all divided in variety of ways. This is called civilization. Any great civilization stands on one thing that is called contradiction. In a way India is also a country which is based on a variety of contradictions, that is why there are people like you and me. Don't let the country go in a path where plurality is not appreciated. Say if any conduct of India or Indians violate human dignity. There is nothing wrong to show some decent. Decent is real patriotism. A recent example is John Kerry. If you know what I mean.
great blunder to witdraw.no further coments
Last time I checked Voltaire was still a French living in England; basically a white guy. So to make our point we still need to turn to a white guy. This is ironical. Most importantly, Voltaire was a satirist, and mocked a lot of things which includes religion and authority (notoriously same in his time). So VK Shahi, read Voltaire before quoting from "quote" web sites. This is important. Can I quote a brown person? Tagore, perhaps. He said, "Patriotism can not be my refuge, humanity is. I'll protect humanity over patriotism as long as I live." Another quote, this one from a white guy, named Bernard Shaw: "The world will sound more peaceful if patriotism is taken out of humanity." I hate to quote, because both of them have said many many things just not these. Can we turn to the brown guy, I just mentioned and be civilized? Tagore's quote is from a book written by another brown guy, named Amartya Sen. Hope this bring some sense to those who still believe racial slur can be supported.
Basically Australians have a mentality of winning and not with there hardwork but definetly with there uncultured, arrogant game. i would say that these australians should be banned of cricket.
BUT WHAT IF RACIAL SLUR WAS NOT THERE AT ALL IN THE FIRST PLACE? THEN WHAT THE WHITE GUY SAYS GOES AND BROWN IS LIAR? THE AUSTRALLIANS AND BRITISH MISBEHAVED W/EACHOTHER, THAT TIME THE TRUTH WAS TRIED TO BE FOUND OUT BCZ BOTH WERE WHITES. TAGOR AND BERNARD SHAW NEVER MET PONTING ETC.OTHERWISE WE WOULD HAVE NEW SCHOLARLY PHILOSOPHY SIR ! THE SMALL KINGDOM OF BELGIUM ALONE KILLED 10 MILLION CONGOLESE.
What about millions of Indians beeing killed by Indians. So the moment British said divide the Indian's; immediately Indians turned their anger towards another group of Indians. What a patriotism! Are we a nation of idiots that as soon as British say, "divide" we go on killing rampage of our own brothers? 1947 is not too far is it? Get your own history straiten up. Fortunately Tagore died before 1947, or else he would have died of shame. We still carry that scar, but try to hide it behind a slogan, "British's divide and rule policy". Instesd of pointing fingers to others, first point fingers to ownself. The world is not just, that does not meen we should justify our misdeeds.
The arguement by the ICC is the most rediculous to say the least. Even after a case goes before a supreme court or to a commisson it can be withdrawn by mutual consent. I suppose the ICC is trying to show who the boss is and in doing so it will expose itself as the object of redicule.
Spot on Sridhar, dropping charges against hogg won't do any good. Wait
Tyrants have always some slight shade of virtue; they support the laws before destroying them.- Voltaire
I think BCCI has taken a very respectable step to make it a point that although sledging is part of cricket, like many other sports; racism has no place in any sport or in any part of life.
Mr. RajaI do not agree with you that BCCI has taken the steps you are suggesting. The stand taken by BCCI, even thought many like me will not agree to the same, is to withdraw charges against Hog to ease tension and let things move on. As far as you saying Sledging is part of game, but not the racism, I would say that both should not be part of the game in any way. because both are two sides of the same coin.I did not want to respond to you but had had to do so after seeing your multiple posting which I belive is your view from white people's prism.
Do we Indians really have any character, that we are still supporting Harbhajan Singh's racial slur? Is there anybody out there in India who has the guts to come out and say that it is nearly impossible to support racism? Is there anybody in India to understand the differences between racist remark and sledging? I don't believe that we Indian's are so poor in judgement, but willing to accept that they are primarily driven by a nautiating nationalism to separate their brain from gut. This is measurable. My request is that no matter who, if there is a racial slur, we all must come out to protest it, not support it. I strongly hope my Indian counterparts realize this simple, but powerful suggestion, and act in a more civilized way. Just saying 'mera bharat mahan', does not make 'mera bharat mahan.' We do not wish to cling to some slogan and ignore humanity altogether. Please grow up and learn the world. Racism is a curse to human society, just like castism in India. None has any place in modern civilized society. Please show some respect to human beings, not just Indians. Get this straight Indian cricket lovers, cricket world is little and is dictated by the subcontinent (India, Pakistan and SL); no other country give a shit about this sport. The subcontinent has the most viewer and power on the world cricket body, not the Europeans or Astralians or West Indians. The majority of the money in cricket comes from those three countries, please don't let these countries abuse their power to bully internation code against racism.
Mr. Raja Your thoughts are revolutionary to say the least..However I do not agree with you that sledging and racism are different things. To say, that Sledging is acceptable and racism is showing the fact that you have graduated to a level of White's mentality. However you have a right to have an opinion, of course not many people will be able to agree with you. Your thought is somewhat similar to the views of George Bush about Democracy. He says he wants to propogate democracy all over the world. So he pverthrew Saddam and hanged him. Now he is doing the same thing what Saddam had done in Iraq.
What more one can expect from a Maratha politician, Sarad Pawar? He left Congress party due to foreign origin of Sonia Gandhi, and touched her feet next day to become minister in UPA. I am sure Bal Thakaray is very proud of him as Marathi.
Indian authorities have once again proved to be softies when it comes to international legal fights and are condemned to be life time losers both on and off the field. Why should Chetan lift the charges against Hogg without knowing the rules of ICC as applicable to Bhajji? Chetan
India needs to ask CA to drop charges for "whatever" reasons. Then ICC can do whatever they want. But in case CA pushes then we can see the racket.
Indian authorities have once again proved to be softies when it comes to international legal fights and are condemned to be life time losers both on and off the field. Why should Chetan lift the charges against Hogg without knowing the rules of ICC as applicable to Bhajji? Chetan
ICC is colonial, controlling and ready to screw Indian by India or by other means such as Symonds.Pakistan is their creation and so Bangladesh being the indirect byproduct.Parliamentary system is un-democracy and way to maintain these feudal party ticket(MP/MLA) distribution system. Nice way to screw Indians by Indians. Can people elect the PM and CM directly to eliminate the in-between mess.
Indian authorities have once again proved to be softies when it comes to international legal fights and are condemned to be life time losers both on and off the field. Why should Chetan lift the charges against Hogg without knowing the rules of ICC as applicable to Bhajji? Chetan
To add to my earlier comments, lets put it this way: All cricketers with the exception of Aussies are monkeys. BCCI and Aussies are baboons. the ICC bunch are gorillas...
It will be a blunder on ICC's part if they don't handle Harbhajan's case satisfactorily specially when the Indians have given hell of a lot away hoping to keep the spirit of the game. It is high time that the ICC members are scrutinised for fairness to all the teams including India, Pak and Siri Lanka. ICC always favours the white teams and they are so used to it that they don't recognise that India and Pak pays their wages now. ICC membership must now be on the basis of who generates more money for cricket and not just the colour of the members. There will be chaos if Harbhajan is not fairly treated. He has been found guilty on the say so of two Aussies and Indian crickters of the status of Sachin were not listened to. Again white mans justice!!
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