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The fatwa department of Darul Uloom had issued an edict in 2006, describing recitation of 'Vande Mataram' as anti-Islamic.
Darul Uloom's Vice Chancellor Maulana Abdul Khalik Madrasi, however, said: "Fatwa is not an order but a guiding principle. People may abide it or ignore it".
"We issue fatwas only when someone approaches us to seek guidance," he said, adding that the seminary cannot withdraw the edict which was issued three years ago.
The cleric, however, made it clear that his organization has no objection to non-Muslims singing the song. On November 3, Jamiat-Ulema-e-Hind in its 30th general session in Deoband had passed a resolution asking Muslims not to recite Vande Mataram on the grounds that some verses of the national song are against the tenets of Islam.
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Mr. Sankaran, I am a Hindu by choice and not by chance. I worship Bhagwan without any idol. Can I ask you one question? Why do you need an idol to reach out to Bhagwan? Do Hindus like you are week in concentration? You need an idol or idols to concentrate your devotion? Are you so weak? Why have Hindus started worshipping Avtaars instead of real God? Pritam Surti, Toronto, Canada.
For Hindus "JANANI JANMABHUMISTU SWARGADAPI GARIYASE" MEANING MOTHER AND MOTHERLAND ARE MORE SACRED THAN GOING TO GOD OR HEAVAN.HOW TRUE!THE HINDUS NEVER WENT OUT AND CAPTURED OTHER'S LAND.HINDUS HAVE LOST A LOT OF LAND OR ANYTHING.THAT IS WHY THE MOTHERLAND IS SO SACRED. THE PEOPLE HAVE NO REPECT FOR THE LAND BECAUSE IT WAS STOLLEN FROM US.ANYTHING FREE HAS NO VALUE.PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOMADIC LIFE STYLE,MOVING FROM LAND TO LAND,OBVIOUSLY CANNOT HAVE LOYALTY TO THE MOTHER LAND,BECAUSE FOR THEM IT IS JUST A LAND FOR PLUNDERING.HISTORY IS FULL OF MURDERS OF SONS ,FATHERS,BROTHERS AND MOTHERS.WHY? FOR LAND,WEALTH AND POWER. ASK PALESTINIANS OR WHOSOEVER IS DISPLACED FROM THEIR MOTHER LAND AND THE PAIN.WHY THEY WANT MOTHER LAND.
If Hindus take some time to read their religious scriptures like Vedanta and other books, they will reject Vandemataram as well. Hindu scriptures clearly preaches us to worship one God. We Hindus later on invented our idols. Muslims did not. I went to a church, I saw the idol of Jesus. When I went a Mosque, I did not find any idol. Vandemataram is idol worhipping. Neither it is a national song nor it has to do with true Hinduism of worshipping one God. We Hindus are ignorant and undeducated on the subject. Idol worshipping is not allowed in our religion. I have immense respect for Muslims that they do not worship idols in the Mosques. We need to improve our knowledge of other religions. Reciting or not reciting Vandemataram does not have any national implications at all. Stop nonsense. It has become fashion to attack Muslims on any subject.
Mr. Ratan Gupta, You appear to have only very superficial knowledge about Hinduism and the contents of Hindu scriptures. No Hindu considers Idols as Gods. They only use the idols as media to reach out to God. Otherwise, Hindus would start worshiping even those statues which are kept in the shops for sale. A very simple analogy of worshiping one God in different forms is similar to the manner in which you experience electricity in the form of light, heat, sound or just vibration. Just like Hindus use idols as media to pray to God, the Muslims also do need some symbols and that is why they go to mosques and perform Huj in Mecca. The purpose is the same-use some kind of media to reach out to God who is omnipresent, which means that He is present in everything-living, non-living and even nothingness. Please try to understand Hinduism first before making such comments. It would be better if you visited the official web-site of Indian Institute of Scientific Heritage and read some of the literature they publish.
Dear Mr. SAnkaran, would u kindly explain me that how a muslim becomes an idol worshiper or a worshiper of god through a media (as u say) just by visiting mosques and performing Haj in Mecca. please answer if u have adequate knowledge. i will respond according to your comment..
JOOTE TO MARO IN HARAMJADO KO TUB SAMAJ ME AAYE YA.
With the vote bank politics parties it is time to start quit India movement by the masses that is the only way we can get these fanatics to line to accept the country's laws.Boycot their businesses,their enterprises,films etc etc peacefully.Then only they will understand to live peacefully with the other population. Jaihind
Any religion such demanding as to disrespect one's mother or motherland is all bullshit. The agents of religion are the worst ignorants. Why do I feel good that this row has started to enable us to flush the real infidels out of our country...?
Karunakaran: You are absolutely right. Disrespecting one's mother is against all religions, but Islam teaches to respect one's mother but ask the followers not to make her as a GODDESS and worship her, because the only Being eligible for worship id the CREATOR, THE GOD ALMIGHTY, THE ISHWAR, you do not understand the difference between RESPECT and WORSHIP.I quote the exact words of the QURAN. YOUR LORD HAS DECREED THAT YOU WORSHIP NO ONE BUT HIM, AND YOU BE KIND TO PARENTS. WHETHER ONE OR BOTH ATTAIN OLD AGE, DO NOT SAY A WORD OF CONTEMPT, DO NOT REPEL THEM BUT ADDRESS THEM IN TERMS OF HONOUR" Chapter Number 27: Verse Number 23 Look at the beauty of the teachings of the Quran and how much respect God wants Muslims to show to their parents. But they can never be made into idols and kept in temples and be worshipped. That is the biggest sin in Islam
Vande Mataram as equivalent to Lord%u2019s Prayer to both Hindus and non Hindus %u201CO Mothers (Goddesses) I Bow to thee or I salute thee ignoring Male gender or Male Hindu Gods (i.e. Ram, Krishna, Hanuman, and Vishnu) seem wrong Prayer or wrong song At the wrong situation. A fatwa is a religious Opinion concerning Islamic Quran believed to have been heavenly due to its contents surahs (as if beyond Human capability in its make up).God always existed before even creation of Universe and its content including Human and mysterious Quran edict forbidding not bowing to those who had been also Created as equal to creator. Fatwa is an opinion not binding .Opinion cannot be withdrawn as Hindus would not stop discriminating even to own Male Gods in this Vande Mataram song as others being forced to utter;%u201D Mothers or Goddesses I bow to Thee or I salute to thee %u201DSeem too much of a force equivalent to Lord%u2019s prayer .This even if it does not attack real God (not comparable to those perceived ones).
What about Late Naushad and Momammed Rafi composing and singing "Hari Om.." etc. in Films?
Vande Mataram is translated in general as "Bow (or Bowing) to Mother (Mother land)". Some say it means "Salute to Mother (Motherland)". In principle according to authentic religious books (The Vedas, The Bible, The Quran, etc.) in most of the religion bowing to anyone other than the Creator is considered to be wrong. But one would agree that Saluting is fine. One should understand the difference between worship and respect. If one says he does not worship something, does never mean that one is not respecting. Above all, don't we realize that we are giving too much attention to a subject that is unnecessarily started by someone and promoted by someone. I think we have more important issues in our Country and our society to think, discuss and work upon. Its these fanatics who irk this kind of problem for their egos and personal benefits. God Bless our County and our People. I love my country and my people. Love you all.
First of all who are these mullahs to issue fatwa on a national issue, and if they say that they can not withdraw what they have foolishly done, the let them withdraw to where this national song is not sung, that is to a muslim country. How dare they live in this country and work against the interest, honour and integrity the same country?
Absolutely correct. These are Congress offsprings. Otherwise they would not dare.
Ur infinitely right Mr.Major.We r proud of our defence personnel. Jaihind
if all the hindoos had migrated to pakistan,there wouldnot be trouble at all...the
Yes! You are right. It would make it easier for the Muslim fanatics to wipe out the Hindus and there will be no problem with them any longer. But, in India it is still difficult though they get enough help from the secularists.
First, Vandematarm is not Anti-Islamic, but it is Un-Islamic and Muslims including myself will not recite or sing it. Let us say, Saudi Arabia comes up with such a Vandemataram glorifying the earth and nationalism of Saudi Arabia, we Muslims will not recite that Saudi National Anthem either. My Hindu brothers must understand one thing clearly, if Saudi Arabia, the center of Islam attacks a another country illegally and illegitimately, we will not support Saudi Arabia in that war. Somebody asked me if I am Muslim or Indian first. Foolish question. I asked him back, are you a Human or Indian Frist? He got confused. Finally he told me that he is human. Oh! You are anti-Indian then. We are all living in India, we should join together respecting each others' belives and sentiments and still can serve beautiful India amazingly. Blind nationalism leads us to destruction. We need enlightened and human nationalism.
Mullah Madrasi takes all Bharatiyas for granted. Who the hell is this mullah to clarify, "...made it clear that his organization has no objection to non-Muslims singing the song" ! It is this arrogant and insensitive attitude that alienates these mullahs from the majority of the Bharatiyas. Let him remember that his diktats cover only his flock and not all Bharatiyas. Unless such mullahs are roped in, Bharaityas cannot live in peace with their Bharatiya muslim brothers.
Darul Uloom has started a fart-war !!!
Darul ulooma of Deoband for their own selfish motives and political gains have created hell of problems for innocent young educated Muslims. It is a very trivial matter if somebody does not want to recite Vand Matram it is OK. Where was the necessity for issuing FATWA. It is totally unislamic in all respects. Deoband people should be asshamed for the disservice done to a great universal religion of Islam. Shame to them. They have not been doing less harm to Islam than all the terrorists and suicide bombers.
We dont care about your freaking Fatwas. We just want you to leave this nation and move to ur freaking God's place, Nehrus kept you here for their votes but we had enough of you - go to Italy, pakistan, saudi wherever ur FG lives......Just go away
The National Song, Vande Mataram, does not contain any thing against any religion. Any one not respecting the National Song is doing injustice to the Nation and his or her heart lies else where. Paying respect to Mother and Mother Land cannot be dubbed as Unislamic. The same community celebrates Birth Days and even cut Birth day Cake in public, although celebration of B'day is against Islam. The Muslims in India do not object to the Holiday, on the occasion of Prophet's Birth Day, although the same is against Islam. For information, Saudi Arab, ( the Country where the Prophet was born) does not have a Holiday for Prophet's B'day. Let us hope that good sense will prevail and the Muslim Body withdraws the so called Fatwa and respect the National Song, Unity and Integrity of India.
In Islam a woman is considered as dirty that is the reason Muslim countries call 'fatherland' instead of motherland.
how can you tell them what to do what not to do.They are fanatics.Let them only immerese in fatwa in islam and their ideology.There is no end to fatwas.Let them continue.
These fatwas have a purpose. The purpose is to mix religion in politics, social life and economics. This is going to hurt all hard-working, peace loving Indians, many of them Muslims.
DARUL ULOOM%u2019S VICE CHANCELLOR IS AN EDUCATED IDIOT AS HE IS THE LEADING ENEMY AND OBSTACLE FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF INDIA%u2019S MUSLIMS. INSTEAD OF USING THE CENTRE OF LEARNING FOR ADVANCEMENT OF THE MUSLIMS & THE COUNTRY HE IS ABUSING HIS OFFICIAL POSITION BY DIVERTING THE TALENTS OF THE YOUNG MUSLIMS TO RUINOUS DIRECTIONS. JAMIAT-ULEMA-e-HIND OF DEOBAND IS ANOTHER INSTITUTION THAT IS PREVENTING THE YOUNG MUSLIMS TO DEVELOP THEIR NATURAL TALENTS & TO JOIN THE REST OF THE SOCIETY IN INDIA & AS WELL AS THE REST OF THE WORLD WHICH IS ADVANCING AT A VERY RAPID RATE. THE CUSTODIANS OF THESE TYPE RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS ARE LIVING IN A DREAMLAND OF PAST GLORIES FOR WHICH THE TIME WILL NOT MOVE BACKWARD.
What Congressi ministers like PC, Pranab, MMS and Sonai Gandhi will say. I assume that they will remain silent or bypass the issue even if media asks straight questions to them. Vote bank is more important than to uphold the dignity and carrying out constitutional duties by our politicians, mainly by pseudo-secular Congresssi politicians. Congress must not complain when some other political party uses such anti-national sentiment against a particular community for their vote bank politics. Totally biased and ineffective law implementation give rise to so many problems India is facing today.
In fact this a Fatwa against Darul Ulum itself. Darul Ulum does not represent all indian muslims.In India,Shias enjoy more security and have more opportunities than they have in a neighbouring country , which follows Darul Ulum ideology. Darul Ulum ideologists had planned murder of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, because he advocated modern education. The only right place to propogate Darul Ulum ideology are the mountain caves on the Pak-Afghan border.Let them go there.
Dear kartik A.R rehmaan is not muslim by birth he converted his religion for soofi music (shameful thing for hindu) so Rehmaan is not example for muslim most of Muslims never love motherland (exceptional cases are found)they love only ISLAM
Brother Chandan, loving and worshiping is two different things. Every Muslim has to love and respect the people and the law of the place he lives in, its a religious duty entrusted on him. But, we Indians get so emotional that we sometimes love something or someone so much that we start worshiping it. That is not right as per any religion. You may cross check the same with the Vedas & Upanishads as well.
Do you know the meaning of Islam if you know you become muslim. I will tell you the meaning of Islam (PEACE) so I think you also want peace everybody in the world want peace. Islam also teach be loyal to your country and love to your country. Muslims never hate their motherland dont teach them.
We can see the peace that is prevailing in Pakistan, Iraq and Afghanistan. Taliban and Al-Qaida pray to which god and follow which religion. My friend all followers of Islam are not terrorists yet almost all terrorist are followers of Islam. So this preaching that Islam means peace we will buy, but please do sell it to those who are killing innocent kids and women in the name of religion. Teach these people to first learn their religion then preach to others. This is not written with any disrespect to you or for Islam. This is written with a deep sense of frustration that instead of trying to correct the wrong actions of these people, a fatwa is being issued not to sing the national song. What is more important, bring peace and sanity to the world or singing the national song.
If islam means peace, then why don't you stand up against violance? Why 90% of the terrorists in this world are muslims?
Does it mean A R Rahman should withdraw his album! Imagine how many patriotic muslims chanted this during the freedom struggle? Why are these clerics dividing India??? and "his organization has no objection to non-Muslims singing the song." Who cares?
And here in the USA, even Pakistani singers in some orchestras sing the A.R Rahman version of Vande Mataram during functions.
Being a democratic country our laws are assembled by elected politicians and implemented by relevant authorities, therefore, no one has the right to issue jihad or fatwa in any democracy. The democraticcally amended constitution does not allow or encourage such non democratic moves as discussed in this news article.If these persons wants to live in Saudi Arabia style then they better migrate and practice in Saudi Arabia. They have chosen a modern country with modern population to implement their pathatic fatwas and may include the fatwa against our tennis star Sania Mirza.
I spent one year in Saudiarabia and more than 2 years in Baharain and knew prominanat local people.Guess what,Arabs do not consider Non Arab Muslims as real Muslims and are good only for the Arab's purpose they serve.Saudi will not accept them permanently in their country.Even Pakistani people look down on Indian Muslims.The day such Indian Muslims, who dream of Fatwa land,realise this fact better it is for them.
You are right! People who have no love and respect for one another will keep dividing one from the other. The whole of Europe is divided by language though most of the countries are Christian countries. Out country is divided into states on the basis of language. People are emotional towards Religion, Language and Caste or Tribe. There are some crooks who take advantage of this and use us. Its up to us to either give up to their expectations or to understand what is right by self learning and go ahead. Most of the time we are misguided by others telling us what is right. We seldom spend time to know what is right. Ultimately, we should correct ourselves by trying to know the truth by self learning and start understanding one another and have love and respect for one another.
thats soo no true, muslims all around the world are equal, unlike the caste system in india. secondly, indian muslims are just like brothers to pakistanis. too bad they couldnt join us in 1947, but still, we dont "look down" on them. this is what islam teaches us!
This guy is accepting that Pak muslims are brothers to them.So religion first not nation.
Mr.Ahamed, Mr. Kulkarni is absolutely right. I spent close to 6 years in the ME. I had roughly 100 Muslim workers from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh working for me. The person responsible for renewing the resident permits of these poor people was a Palestinian Muslim and he used to call them Miskins and collected 200 riyals for the renewal of the RPs and exit permits. They were all getting salaries in the range of 1000 riyals a month. All though I was a Hindu, they approached me for help and I was able to talk to the sponsor and expose this Palestinian. All the sub-continent Muslims used to complain about the inhuman treatment they used to suffer in the hands of the so called Arab Muslims from Egypt, Sudan and Somalia who can speak Arabic which our people can't. So in the eyes of the Arab Muslims, all Muslims are not created equal. If they believe that all Muslims are created equal, why do they need visa for Muslims from Pakistan to work in the ME countries? The guiding principle of India is "Dharma" and not Fatwa. These stupid mullahs by issuing fatwas push the country to stone age which perhaps, Pakistan can live with and not India.