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Attacking the opponents of the project for raising matters of religion and faith to opapose it, senior advocate Fali S Nariman, appearing for the Centre, said those who have relied on scriptures of faith in their attempt to block the venture should also consider other aspects of faith.
He referred to Kamba Ramayana and Padma Purana to draw a point that Lord Rama himself had destroyed the Rama Sethu so that nobody should come from Lanka.
"Lord Rama destroyed the bridge and details are there in the scriptures. You cannot worship something which has been destroyed," Nariman asserted before a Bench headed by Chief Justice K G Balakrishnan.
The senior advocate, who was countering the arguments of anti-project petitioners, said that destruction of Rama Sethu would affect the faith of people, said, "we are not destroying any bridge. Everything on the project is being done with great circumspection."
"If we have gone wrong we will correct it. The idea is to go ahead with the project. We have to see there is no violation of law," the noted jurist said.
Though the Bench clarified that at the moment it was averse to entering into any debate whether Rama Sethu or Adams Bridge was man-made or not, Nariman said, "if you are going to rely on faith, go into other aspects of the faith also."
Nariman said that those who for centuries and years never bothered to declare Rama Sethu as monument of archaeological importance should know that according to Kamba Ramayana Lord Rama took a bow and broke the bridge and divided it into three parts.
"We are concerned that it was not a man-made structure but it was a superman-made structure which was destroyed by Lord Rama," he said before the Bench, also comprising Justices R V Raveendran and J M Panchal.
The senior advocate said the controversial affidavits questioning the existence of Ramayana and Ram Sethu as man-made structure was withdrawn under extraneous circumstances.
Before Nariman had entered into the issue of destruction of the bridge by Lord Rama, the Bench wanted that the Centre should explore the possibility of accommodating faith with environment concern to arrive at a balanced solution.
"A scientifically, technically and politically feasible alternate alignment can be considered", the Bench said adding that the economic aspects should also be kept in mind as dredging activity was a continuous process.
Nariman, who replied in positive to the Bench's remarks that issue of faith has to be accommodated in going ahead with the project, however, was not in agreement with the opponents that alignment number 4 (from Rameswaram to Dhanushkodi) was a viable alternative.
"The suggestion to go for alignment 4 is a self-defeating argument. Alignment number 4 has been suggested as an alternative. If it will be so, there will be no way to go to worship near alignment number 6 (Rama Sethu)," he said.
IT IS FUNNY, THIS KARUNANIDHI WORSHIP RAVANA, WHO WAS ACTUALLY THE TOP CLASS BRAHMIN OF HIS TIME,
lord ram is fact. ok.................
The bridge is clealy natural and not man made.Mukesh is an idiot. ok........
First Point, most of these English media, be it NDTV network or newspaper like Indian Express are manipulated by the Congres.. otherwise how can 50 anti UPA comments vanish overnight ? Second, Mr. Whatzinname... dont you think if we stop appeasing any particular community will help our country ? if you want progress than every religion should be treated equally.... and not talk abt godhra but also highlight Sikh massacre, killing of hundred of Hindus in J
if you want progress than every religion should be treated equally.... and not talk abt godhra but also highlight Sikh massacre, killing hundred of Hindus in J
what about implementing Uniform Civil Code ? Any suggestions from the readers ?
first congress said there was no sethu, then they said there was no ram, then laluji said ram is there but sethu is not there, and now congress says ram destroyed the sethu, which shows that ram was there and sethu was there. mr. nariman says how can one worship a structure if ram has already destroyed it. i think the congress has truely flipped.they are responsible for the creation of anti social elements among the people. this will lead to disharmany among the people.it is like saying show me your god. faith is something which one should not question as it leads to bad results.during the wars many monuments have been destroyed, then why to call those structures as monument and spend tax payers money to maintain it. is congress trying to equate ram with some foolish congress self ?
Sethusamudram dredgers are busy destroying a great world heritage site India has.It is ironical that a government which changes the metro rail route to protect the Qutub Minar, built with the material of destroyed temples, stops a corridor to protect the Taj Mahal's surroundings and spends crores of rupees to showcase ancient potteries and jewellery in heavily guarded museums, is destroying a unique symbol of national identity and an icon well preserved in our minds since ages. In Tamilnadu MK is encourages demolition of temples Even a child knows that a bridge was built by the friends of Lord Rama using floating stones and Rama's army marched over it to Lanka to rescue Sita and destroy the evil regime of Ravana.Hence during Dussehra every year and in dance dramas depicting Rama's life enacted across the globe, specially in East Asia, they never ever fail to mention the Setu Bandhan or the construction of Rama's bridge. Apart from the Ramayana, the Mahabharata also refers to the continued protection of Nala Setu following Sri Rama's command.
Friends! Let's be practical and forward looking. We can not progress in real sense unless we stop making issues out of every important decisions being taken to make our country move forward. Would Lord Rama hinself have objected to such a project which is for betterment of Bharatvarsh?Let us not oppose it just becuase we do not like the parties in power. These things have to be judged on the basis of what is right for the country. Let us not be like politicians. Let us go beyond petty party politics or else there will be no difference between us and some of those cheap politicians.
Yes lets do that! Mr Ashok are u aware of the security concerns raised by the security agencies or are u aware of teh report whcih claima that the cost/benefit ratio from this project is bad because even of this canal is built ships will have to sail slower than usual wasting monies, and hence many ships may even avoid the canal making this another white elephant
Definitely Rama was not a Soodra like Karunanidhi. He was from royal family and he was disciple of great Rishi. I worked on this for few years and found Rama’s success was purely science and engineering oriented. Rama destroyed the bridge with specific purpose in mind after the war. He had to and he faced many dangerous weapons. I simulated some of this technology and all works fine. If global warming is to be solved, that is the only way. Rama and his teachers were great. I bow my head and solute them. Karunanidhi kind of worthless vermin should die before that.
Congratulations to the person who said "Minorities, particularly the Muslims, have first right over the national resources" ... this is a great win for minorities in 'secular' India!Other great achievements of his party masters are:1) Police in Jammu hitting/killing Hindus2) Kashmiris not allowing even an inch of temporary shelter to Hindus3) Arjun sing ensuring references to Hindu heros to be removed from text and replacing with Muslim heros(?) like Akbar4) The 'honest' man losing sleep over Muslims and enjoying life over killings of Hindus..... (the list is long)
Congratulations to the person who said "Minorities, particularly the Muslims, have first right over the national resources" ... this is a great win for minorities in 'secular' India!Other great achievements of his party masters are:1) Police in Jammu hitting/killing Hindus2) Kashmiris not allowing even an inch of temporary shelter to Hindus3) Arjun sing ensuring references to Hindu heros to be removed from text and replacing with Muslim heros(?) like Akbar4) The 'honest' man losing sleep over Muslims and enjoying life over killings of Hindus..... (the list is long)
Save Shri Ram Setu, save National Heritage. Shame on communal forces like congress and DMK.
an absurd and irresponsible statement by Karunanidhi questioning whether Lord Rama was an engineer to construct Ramar Sethu. This is by a person in high position and we have to pity MK. All Hindus revere Lord Rama, accept him as God, worship him and we believe God neither requires MK’s engineering degree nor the assistance of his chelas to construct the Ramar Sethu. This shows the level to which our politiciansLet Tamil Nadu carry on with its development projects by all means, but not at the cost of religious fervour and beliefs. No problem has only one solution. Who is Karunanidhi to talk about Lord Rama or Hindu sentiments? Does he know the fondness and devotion with which we Hindus worship Rama and strongly believe that he is the incarnation of Lord Vishnu himself, who engineered not just a bridge but the entire universe? Every devout Hindu male who yearns to be a perfect son, brother or husband, endeavours to emulate Rama, who trod the path of dharma at all times.
All Hindus do not worship Ram. Infact I personally can't understand why he is held in high esteem when he threw out his wife. To top it all the whole concept of Ashwamedha performed by him is evil. He would take any land by force. Ravan was clearly better.
Regardless of arguments in favour and/or against the project, one should also consider logical validity of arguments purely based on faith. Even on the so called 'legal' provisions, interpretations can be at times contradictory. This is said to be because justice being supreme, the courts will interpret what is before it to suit justice and to ward off injustice. It is a delicate balance and a tall ask. Coming back to faith, scriptures told, retold for generations before being written, discrepancies make uniform interpretations impossible. Having said all that don't you also agree that Lord Krishna said in Geet(h)a that everything happens in this 'parakrt(h)i' is under his supervision ? That being the case, let us go by what we think is in the 'collective' interest and having full faith in the supervisor.
To the Curious person who seems to be quoting Geeta, Sri Krisn didnt say that any interference in the course of things would be bad. The fight against injustice is also the "prakriti" of modern hindus.
Govt of India hates hindus, so now they will tell us what which pray and we should not. Who is our god and who is not. Sometimes they say God Shri Ram ji wasn't there, then they say God Shri Ram ji was a drunkard, then they say Shri Ram Setu was never there, and now they say Shri Ram Setu was destroyed by God Shri Ram ji who they say is a myth. Such religious discrimination should not be tolerated. Just because they won a so called trust vote through corruption, they will give into communal forces like DMK and take such communal steps.
Seema, this is a pure vote bank politics using the stupidity of Hindus. Government of India or UPA knows that other communities are very fanatic and Hindus are not, in fact they dont care a bit. So Hindus would vote for them whether they call Ram this or that but if they mess with others then votes are certainly lost. So the easy alternative for the spineless creatures representing a similar community.
Regardless of arguments in favour and/or against the project, one should also consider logical validity of arguments purely based on faith. Even on the so called 'legal' provisions, interpretations can be at times contradictory. This is said to be because justice being supreme, the courts will interpret what is before it to suit justice and to ward off injustice. It is a delicate balance and a tall ask. Coming back to faith, scriptures told, retold for generations before being written, discrepancies make uniform interpretations impossible. Having said all that don't you also agree that Lord Krishna said in Geet(h)a that everything happens in this 'parakrt(h)i' is under his supervision ? That being the case, let us go by what we think is in the 'collective' interest and having full faith in the supervisor. That is what 'faith' is all about, one would imagine.
To the Curious person who seems to be quoting Geeta, Sri Krisn didnt say that any interference in the course of things would be bad. The fight against injustice is also the "prakriti" of modern hindus.
Its not a viable project financially. For large vessels with large drafts, it would require a huge channel and continous dredging. This cost, if passed on to the vessels, would be more than vessels making a circuitous route through Sri Lanka. Besides, Insurance costs for vessels plying through the channel will increase as risks for it being damaged would be higher. If its thinking of eating into the trans-shipment business of Colombo and Singapore, its a bad strategy as both these ports are in better location. The only place India can beat them is by setting up a deep sea port in Andamans.
IE is controlled by fake gandhis and anti Indians. So all pro Indian comments and pro hindu comments will be deleted by IE. We should start our own forum to project and protect Hinduism and stop India from being islamised and christianised by sonia fake gandhi and mms. We can discuss on this. Reply to this before IE deletes even this comment.
On second thoughts keep coming here even after creating the forum. Because thats what ie wants, to get rid of anti-upa people, so that they can keep their jobs. Goenkaji is no more and the current owners are like what they are.
Friends,There are already a few good blogs which help us Hindus survive and talks about media bias: for example, search "shadow warrior" "rajeev2004" on google!
Guys, IE is deleting all anti upa and anti sonia message which are facts. Shame on the anti Indian english media.
Just like Rajeev Ji put his foot down and gave a stern message to judiciary in Shah Bano case, Sonia ji should let the backward Hindus know that more than Lord Ramaaaa etc. they need to follow footsteps of Gandhiji and look at what we Hindus can do for others rather than expecting from others.
Immediately after the humiliation of devotees of Lord Shiva by the Sonia Congress in withdrawing the land alloted for pilgrim shelters at Amarnath cave in Kashmir, the Sonia centra; government goes ahead to destry the Ram Sethu. My Muslim friends laugh at me on all this. i ahve one thing to say God Save Hindus.
If Shri Ram was ruling over this country, would he have opposed the dredging of the sea which would give better access to the eastern coast of our country to the western coast? The cost of shipping would have drained out his treasury. Let us be practical. Build a point near there for the worshippers to worship. Let the dredging go on in the interest of our own country.
Yes he would have, what is your problem. DDA wanted to build a world's longest flyover to connect East Delhi to West Delhi, but Jama Masjid is in the way, would you support removing it? Cause I wouldn't. Wow, one law for Hindus and other law for others.
Its not a viable project. Why else DMK demanding money being spent by Centre rather than Centre running in to put its money? Why are not international financiers coming to fund it? Its just a gimmick from a State party to pull Central Fund.
Its not a viable project. Why else DMK demanding money being spent by Centre rather than Centre running in to put its money? Why are not international financiers coming to fund it? Its just a gimmick from a State party to pull Central Fund.
There are 543 MPs in the Lok Sabha. Of them 117 have been charged and are being investigated for murder, rape, assault, extortion and robbery. [When the current Lok Sabha was constituted, Outlook had listed as many as 100 way back in 2004 --Ed] Nineteen MPs have more than three criminal cases pending against them. Twenty-nine have been accused of spouse abuse. Seven have been arrested for fraud. Seventy-one cannot get credit or loans due to bad credit histories. Twenty-one are current defendants in various lawsuits. Eighty-four were involved in offences and made to pay fines. These are the people who make our laws. They are the people who rule us.
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