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"Home Minister P Chidambaram was at the JUH conference at Deoband on November 3 between 10 am and 12 noon. No resolution was passed during that period. When he spoke, he was not aware of any resolution relating to Vande Mataram or women's reservation and television," a statement issued by his aide said.
Besides, the Home Minister was reading from a prepared text and there was no occasion to depart from that text, the statement said reacting to a statement of BJP leader Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi.
Through its resolution, Jamiat has asked members of the community not to recite 'Vande Mataram' on the grounds that some verses of the national song are against the tenets of Islam.
The Jamiat's opposition to the recitation of the song came when it supported seminary Darul Uloom's 'fatwa' (edict) which opposes any prayer involving the song.
Naqvi had yesterday said the presence of Chidambaram at the programme "gave legitimacy to the resolution...it is a matter of concern."
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oy people of india should respect the national anthem.... if any one says no... just say them to ---------
The dispute is not on National Anthem Jana Gana Mana, dispute is on Vande Matram which is NOT a National Anthem it's just a national song. Muslims are NOT less patriots than others and to show their patiotism they need not be forced to sing it. This is one kind of a provocation that some of the Hindu zelots raise from time to time.
Its just not national song.It shares same status with national anthem.first know history & then talk
Mr. Ravi, your comments show how Indian secularism works. A Muslim seminary issues a fatwa(order) to the Muslim community not to sing the national song and secularists like you blame "Hindu zealots" for that!!!! First of all, understand that the national song is not a prayer to any Hindu goddess. Even the reference to Durga and Lakshmi in the song only symbolizes strength and power(Durga) and prosperity(Lakshmi. If the Muslims are so much against worshiping inanimate objects, why do they circle round the Ka'aba in Mecca when they perform their Huj. In fact they are doing a similar ritual like the Hindus who circle round the sanctum sanctorum of a temple as part of their prayer. The Muslim men do not cover their upper bodies while performing the Huj prayers just like Hindus do in Kerala temples. So, why is this objection to sing the national song, which has nothing to do with Hindu religion? The name India was given by the British for the undivided sub-continent and at the time of independence it was divided into Pakistan and Hindusthan. Those Muslims who stayed back in Hindusthan after partition had in principle accepted the concept of Bharat Mata and the national song which was made in the praise of the Bharatmata. Then, why this objection now?
The Indian home minister was a silent spectator when the Jamaith-e-Islam issued a fatwa againnt singing vande mataram for mslims as some parts in that go against the tenets of Islam. The tenets of Islam go against idol worship which the majority in India believe in because they see everything as a manifestation of the super conciousness. How is the majority supposed feel about this.
hello to all elected persons be aware not to violate the the sentiments of any real Indian. a true Indian loves is country first ,worships his country first then to his relatives and religion ........... so be aware and do not dare to put the flag down for any reason..... any one is free to write his song for our country either it is in Hindi , Urdu,or any language....so do not make it an issue ..........
Being a muslim I will only worship one creator one god that is ALLAH who has created this whole universe, nothing is above him. Being a true indian if necessary can prove nationalism and patriotism by sacrifying life, jai hind,
You don't prove your nationalism by sacrificing your life. Your prove your nationalism by sacrificing the life of a Pakistani.
hello to all elected persons be aware not to violate the the sentiments of any real Indian. a true Indian loves is country first ,worships his country first then to his relatives and religion ........... so be aware and do not dare to put the flag down for any reason.....
This Chocolate, Complan man is a thief. He says utter lies !!
Illogical and baseless arguments should always be avoided. When an Indian sings Vande Mataram, may it be muslim or Hindu, the feeling is impeccably patriotism and respect..If you are a muslim and cannot see anyone else as your god, you are justified. It is the feeling and intention that matters, not the peripheral words. So, ignore the argument for fatwa..they cant be counselled nor can this be accepted.
there is no need to raise fatwa if those islam leadres do not want to sing let them not and expell them from this country.....
Mr.Chiddu! Nobody will trust you.Your entry is doubtful.You have won elections only thro' EVMs.If you have capacity,clear your stand on FATWA.You are a convert one in all respects.If you have guts,be an ordinary citizen and speak.Then you will realize what is the anger of the public against you.
Mr.Chidambaram is great man, I really appreciate his work and contributions to our country, as per our constitution he has to treat all religions equally, he has done nothing wrong by attending muslims conferance, dont forget he is home minister of secular india, not Nepal, therefore know our constitution first and speak up,
Mr. Ravi, there is nothing wrong with Navin's comment about Chidambaram. We all agree that the Constitution of India should reign; but the fatwa issued by Deoband attempts to preempt the supremacy of the constitution. If the Deobandis don't want to accept the supremacy of the constitution, the Government is duty bound to close it and its branches or the Deobandis are welcome to move to Islamic countries where they can issue any stupid fatwa at will or as hobby. Not in India if it has to remain pluralistic. Chidambaram's election victory from Sivagangai is still being debated and he will do anything to stay in power.
First of all Vande Matram is NOT a National Anthem it's just a national song. Muslims are NOT less patriots than others and to show their patiotism they need not be forced to sing it. This is one kind of a provocation that some of the Hindu zelots raise from time to time.It is really pitty that a politician like Naqvi raised this issue instead of raising the issues of poverty, education, unemployment, economy etc. No surprise why BJP lost in so many elections. I think by not raising such issues that concern the population of India we Hindus are now becoming less patriots.It would be much better if Mr. Naqvi and his lot come to senses. People and particularly youth are watching them
the main problem with the muslim community is that they follows blindly the veiw of their religios leader with out understanding the real fact.and most of them are not understands the actual moral of their holy book kuran and the political leader through their religious issue try to get fame ,by manipulating the actual meaning of in negative way as there is nothing in any religion that if you respect the others religion then your own religionism become fade...
I am not raged as much by fatwa as by utterences by this good for nothing,over smart loongiwala.We can not expect these spineless creatures to behave in any other manner than putting their tail between their legs at such times.And he is expected to protect the country and the countrymen.He can only hound the true patriots.
Instead of Vande Mataram, muslims shoudl keep on singing Saare Jahan se acchha. Maybe that is sufficient and is in a language that is still spoken.
We can not sing diffeent tunes unless we are different nations!! We may bow to one God or many, in this context we show our respect to our Land. What is wrong?? Is it ignorance? We do wish each other Salam, what is wrong in wishing our own Motherland Salam......can someone explain to me. No reason to be stub born about it....we have to show on a few occasion that we are ONE. Singing Vande Mataram is one. We have no option.
These matters signify national solidarity. Every country have a set of national songs. You may bow before God, but all thaty you are doing is showing your gratitude as one nation to your LAND. Nothing wrong with it. We need to trust each other rather than showing disbelief in the national song itself. One may believe in one God or many, irrespective our own Land is above all. If we show our respect to our own Land, it is a good gesture. Jis Mitti ka khatain hain usai salam karna kya kharab hai. We do wish each other 'Salam' same way we say Salam to our own land. why is there sl much of noice. Why Fatwa!!!! Unimaginable. We must have mutual respect and for that some flexibility is not wrong by any religion in the world.
what muslim community has the problem with the national song..... have you ever read the kuran and found that if you speak any word of hindusim or even the god ram then allah become angry..
i strongly suggest all these seminary staff irrespective of any religion they should go to paddy field and cultivate some food stuffs,insted of eating and sleeping under the religious roof serve their people attach to the needy people ,stop eating freely and stop earning the money with out hard work,they should earn for their bread by themselves,tell them to make their physical fitness towards loving the soil and water and work for the prosperous india.be loyal to their mother land and respect others and this universe.
Following is the transliteration of original ‘Vande Matram’ and I fail to understand what is this brouhaha about not singing or singing this song. “Mother, I bow to Thee !Rich with thy hurrying streamsBright with orchard gleams.Cool with thy winds of delightGreen fields waving Mother of might,Mother free.Glory of moonlight dreams,Over thy branches and lordly streams,Clad in thy blossoming trees,Mother, giver of easeLaughing low and sweet!Mother I kiss thy feet,Speaker sweet and low!Mother, to thee I bow.”I love my Mother Land and I love my Mother. It's between two of us !
Please tell Deobandis that india is ruled by democracy not by sharia. Why they are trying to separate nation on the basis of religion? Is this real seculrism of Muslims? This is same way of Jinha,who used to called india as hindu country and curse congress as ihndu party. What is stand of sonia congress on this issue?? WE INDIANS CONDEM THIS FATWA OF DEOBANDIS. It reveals anti national sentiments of muslims. Rather than this Fatwa, deobandis should address problems like economic,education backwardness of community. Even if thet recite Vande Mataram How allha gonna punish them? How can mother and mother land are different?? I think the debate should not be focused on this particular fatwa but on the larger issue, i.e. 'Islam and nationalism.' It is often seen that Indian Muslims come out protesting on streets on issues that do not concern them directly such as Palestine or even war in Iraq. Deobandis should address why all indian jihadis were deonbandis???
very funny to praise brailwis. first read the hisory about brailwis and how they tried to support british rulers. they wrote a book called Ilamu alaam bi anna hindustan darul islam' only to depress freddom fighters when deobandis declared a war agaisnt the foreign rule. where r u? it is deobandis who largely contributed to freedom movement and sacrificed their lives, issued fatwas against the british rule and supported gandhi ji. first receive knowledge before u write anything.
very funny to praise brailwis. first read the hisory about brailwis and how they tried to support british rulers. they wrote a book called Ilamu alaam bi anna hindustan darul islam' only to depress freddom fighters when deobandis declared a war agaisnt the foreign rule. where r u? it is deobandis who largely contributed to freedom movement and sacrificed their lives, issued fatwas against the british rule and supported gandhi ji. first receive knowledge before u write anything.
Is it not time for Muslims to come out of the medieval mindset and embrace modernity ? Why is that for each and everything they refer to the outdated Koran which was supposed to be written about two thousand years ago ? They must remember that Koran was preached suiting the medieval times of Arabia and a misfit for modern times. Infact Koran is not eternal. It derives from the Arabic word "Qurrah" which means collection and Islam is nothing but a mixture of Judaism, Christainity and some ancient practices of Pagans all rolled into one. Koran has undergone cuts and insertions innumerable times by the Caliphs who succeeded Mohammed. Moreover, the spread of Islam throughout the World was not through faith but blood letting and crude violence. Common folks, we are living in the 21st Century where the concept of religion and God should take a backseat for our own collective progress. I am a staunch critic of the RSS and BJP and my several posting on this Forum would validate that.
Mr. Sundar, Koran is not outdated and not written by any Caliphs or any human being. The baisc principle of Islam is:"La Ilaha Illallah!" i.e. there is no god but Allah. As such we do not bow beofer anybody except Allah. Not even your parents, nor your prophet, not your king/emperor and not your motherland or mother. Period!We bow only to Allah and Allah alone. In this context, some of the parts of Vande mataram (we bow to thee, motherland) are against Islamic Principle.India being a secular country should respect all religious beliefs. AND this does not mean that Muslims cannot give up their life fighting for the motherland! They definitely should. Koran does not stop them from doing that. Let us understand the Quran first before commenting on it.
Mr Afroz, The basic principle of Islam and that is "there is no God but Allah" is sounding very fanatical and symbolizes intolerance. In Koran, there are many verses against the so-called Infidels who are likened to Kafirs and it justifies violence against them in the name of Jihad. Their only crime not believing in the God which Muslims believe. That is crass intolerance. I am not saying that all Muslims exhibit these tendencies. But, the contents of Koran are very clear and its hate towards non-believers. My point is that the Muftis didn't have any business to issue a fatwa like that and create an unnecessary controversy to be exploited by the psuedo-Nationalist forces. Infact this will only have serious repurcussions.
Islam is peace loving religion and Qur'an dont justify violence, unless it is necessary in defence or to counter attack, like to know which verses justifies violence without reasons or background, If you have misunderstood, I try and correct you,
Sundar, Koran dosnt encourage forceful conversion nor does it abet believers to fight if u r not provoked.Koran doesn't hate anyone. It only hopes for good thoughts to dawn upon those who are astray. Your point against clerics is well justified. If I want to sing for my motherland, no one can stop me from saying 'VANDE MATARAM'
Our RigVeda says Truth is One,but the sages speak of it by many names.A Hindu believes there are many paths to God.Jesus is one way,the Quran is another, yoga practice is a third.None is better than any other;all are equal.
The Deoband through their fatwa against the singing of Vande mataram have only given a fillip to the psuedo-Hindutva forces who were lying low and sapped after consecutive electoral defeats. They have raked in an unnecessary controversy for the mischief mongers to fish in troubled waters. If you are not interested in singing Vande Mataram, who is compelling you ? Do not sing. What was the need for a fatwa in this regard, which is totally unacceptable and only reveals intolerance. Sometimes I get a feeling that these Moulvis and Psuedo-Hindutva forces have an unwritten agreement to polarize the masses.
Mr. Sundar, here I agree with you. The moulvis should not have issued a fatwa on this (at least not on the national event). This will give fodder to the pseudo-hindutva forces like you said. But then, these pseudo-hindutva forces (and extremely fanatical islamic forces too) will make a mountain out of any molehill to create disturbance.
You answer media that ' it was not happen before me' like policeman. You are home minister, and you were guest at that function. Your office is not police station, that you want FIR and Proof. You very much knows what they intends, and what they are doing. They don't want to respect national anthem. It is your duty to take hard action against,
I will sing VANDEMATARAM proudly,any time and anywhere in this present form.Moulana azad sing and many ulemas sing the same song during freedom struggle and after.Yes!indeed!! the objectionable stanzas are removed which were suppose to hurt the sentiments of other religion who donot liken to MAA DURGA IS THE MOTHER INDIA.When those stanzas are removed and Rehaman soluted the mother land in his own style and penned by Mahaboob why not us?.All politicians should boycott all the religious gathering so that those idiots do not take any one for ride.See the Togadias and Thakerays who were no where and suddenly on the screens and barking.kick all those Ulemas and barking false hinduvadis and proudly sing all together VANDEMATARAM !!!IF THIS HAS PROBLEM OK... SING REHAMANS VANDEMATARAM ATLEAST. SHAME ON THOSE WHO OPPOSE AND THOSE MAKE THIS AS CONTROVERSY FOR THEIR OWN POLITICAL BENIFITS....... SALEEM
Read the sense of outrage felt by my fellow brethern on the Fatwa.I dont know the meaning of the verses which these clerics found objectionable.Anyway for PC to go to that congregation was stupid and then claiming such a fatwa wasnt passed when he present was naive.These clerics need to be asked why havent they used such congregations in the past to pass fatwa against those among there clan who got themselves enriched by looting the state (Ahmed)and will fully failing to keep the oath they took in the name of God.Is that not worthy of a fatwa.A few of the bloggers have asked why call for prayer must not be banned as it infringe on there rights everyday.This does sound naturalDont know the need for all this and were are these guys taking the nation.Obviously any citizen who loves his motherland is going to react like most have.
MUSLIMS CAN GO TO PAKISTAN THEIR OPTION IS OPEN TILL TODAY. VANDE MATRAM IS HISTORY AND CAN NOT BE CHANGED JUST LIKE WE CAN NOT DEMOLISH TAJMAHAL. THERE FOR THE VANDEMATRAM STAYS WHETHER SOME RELIGIOUS GROUP LIKE IT OR NOT. RAJESH DHARIA
It is strange that the Home Minister says that the fatwa is not issued in his presence, when the media is crying hoarse publicising this news. How can he and through him the government have an ostrich like policy ? Even in the case of Mumbai bombing, the govrnment top level ministers and spokes persons 'boldly' say that next time they will be tough. It is pathetic that they are not able to face these threats to the country squarely. Government should have taken a tough stand that there will be no compromise on our symbals of democracy, which has come out successfully after more than 60 years of independence, unlike our celebrated neighbor. The sect leaders will do well to pay homage to the country for the freedom they enjoy like all other citizens. They should invest their energies on more compelling issues like poverty, illiteracy, and misinterpretations of holy texts to disturb peace and harmony. The media should not play too much on such issues, but dismiss them to the last pages.
This is very sad that Mr.Chidambaram has attended a religious organisational meeting. Common muslims never support religious dictation in the matter of national interest.It is Congress politics , causing harm to our national interest.
all muslims in india are indians. as long as they obey indian laws they are true indians. fatwas are religious dictas. the present fatwa is issued by a small religious group and can not be an expression of all muslims. it is better to left this issue to that small group .
I agree with Mr Rajan
My sincere advice to Muslim people is to write another fatwa banning the Koran as this book make them misfits of every society and country they live in. It also make them stupid, narrow minded, violent and backward. For their own sake they have to do it some day otherwise they and their coming generations are doomed.
What a idea that write another fatwa banning tha Quran. Do you know all religons holly book destroy it and if any body cant write their own holly book once again it is possible no not at all but Quran can write it again and again because it is in the heart of muslim Hafiz. Do you agree this it is possible for muslims but another religion it is impossible. Do you know why because Quran is truth book and it is not only for muslim it is for all human beings.
That exactly is the problem that the Quran is in the hearts of people, who have no bloody brain in their heads. Such people are real drag on the world peace and prosperity. And also your "truth book" is for muslims only and not for human being as you wrote.
Just as Muslims have tthe right to refuse to sing Vande Mataram, Hindus