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Pak says 'no' to handing over Hafiz, Masood

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Posted: Dec 03, 2008 at 1228 hrs IST
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New York President Asif Ali Zardari has rejected India's demand to hand over LeT chief Hafiz Mohd Sayeed and other fugitives in the wake of Mumbai terror attacks and doubted whether the arrested terrorist is a Pakistani national.

Two days after New Delhi's demarche (protest note) demanding the handing over of 20 fugitives, Zardari made known Pakistan's reluctance to part with them.

"If we had proof, we would try them in our courts. We would try them in our land and we would sentence them," he said appearing on "Larry King Live" programme on CNN last night.

India's list of 20 most wanted criminals given to Pakistan included underworld don Dawood Ibrahim and Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Masood Azhar.

India is awaiting Pakistan's response before deciding on the options it could exercise. New Delhi's outrage was voiced by External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee who said the country has every right to protect its territorial integrity and will take "appropriate action" as it feels necessary to deal with the terror strikes emanating from Pakistan.

The minister also did not rule out military strikes against terror camps in Pakistan.

Zardari said that he also doubted India's claim that the sole surviving gunman, who was captured by Indian security forces, was a Pakistani national.

"We have not been given any tangible proof to say that he is definitely a Pakistani. I very much doubt that he's a Pakistani," he said.

Zardari denied Pakistan's involvement in the attacks, saying the terror strikes were executed by the "Stateless actors" who wanted to hold the "entire world hostage."

"These (terrorists) are stateless actors who have been operating throughout the region. They include gunmen and the planners and are holding the entire world hostage," he said.

"State of Pakistan is not responsible for the attacks in Mumbai... even the White House and the US intelligence agency CIA have said so," he said.

The President ruled out any possibility of Pakistan and India going to war, saying "democracies do not go to war".

The three wars, India and Pakistan have fought, took place

during dictatorships in Pakistan, he said.

Zardari said this is time to come together, do a joint investigation and look at the problem in the larger context.

"The threat is in the region and just not to Bombay or to India. The threat (also is) to the State of Pakistan. There's a threat to Afghanistan, It's a threat throughout region. So that would be counterproductive," he added.

"I'm a victim. The state of Pakistan is a victim. We are the victims of this war, and I am sorry for the Indians, and I feel sorry for them. I've seen this pain. I feel this pain every time I see my children. I can see it in their eyes.

This pain lives with me because of my wife and what we are going through in Pakistan," he said.

Asked whether Lashkar-e-Taiba was involved in the attacks, he replied that it is a banned organisation around the world. "If indeed they are involved, we would not know."

These are the people who operate outside the system like al-Qaeda but Pakistan has offered full cooperation to India in investigating the incident and "We intend to do so."

"We cannot rule anything out at the moment," he said when asked whether al-Qaeda might be involved. But it is too premature to reach any conclusion.

Zardari denied Pakistan's involvement in the attacks, saying the terror strikes were executed by the "Stateless actors" who wanted to hold the "entire world hostage."

"These (terrorists) are stateless actors who have been operating throughout the region. They include gunmen and the planners and are holding the entire world hostage," he said.

"State of Pakistan is not responsible for the attacks in Mumbai... even the White House and the US intelligence agency CIA have said so," he said.

The President ruled out any possibility of Pakistan and India going to war, saying "democracies do not go to war".

The three wars, India and Pakistan have fought, took place

during dictatorships in Pakistan, he said.

Zardari said this is time to come together, do a joint investigation and look at the problem in the larger context.

"The threat is in the region and just not to Bombay or to India. The threat (also is) to the State of Pakistan. There's a threat to Afghanistan, It's a threat throughout region. So that would be counterproductive," he added.

"I'm a victim. The state of Pakistan is a victim. We are the victims of this war, and I am sorry for the Indians, and I feel sorry for them. I've seen this pain. I feel this pain every time I see my children. I can see it in their eyes.

This pain lives with me because of my wife and what we are going through in Pakistan," he said.

Asked whether Lashkar-e-Taiba was involved in the attacks, he replied that it is a banned organisation around the world. "If indeed they are involved, we would not know."

These are the people who operate outside the system like al-Qaeda but Pakistan has offered full cooperation to India in investigating the incident and "We intend to do so."

"We cannot rule anything out at the moment," he said when asked whether al-Qaeda might be involved. But it is too premature to reach any conclusion.

Take action against Hafiz, Masood: India tells Pak

India has asked Pakistan to take strict action against Lashker-e-Taiba founder Hafiz Mohammed Saeed, underworld dons Dawood Ibrahim and Tiger Memon and terror leader Maulana Masood Azhar, who are named in a list of 20 wanted terrorists handed over to Islamabad by New Delhi.

The list of fugitives was discussed at a meeting of political leaders chaired in New Delhi on Tuesday last night by Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani to evolve national consensus on a course of action to deal with tensions with India in the wake of the terror attacks in Mumbai.

Former federal minister and Awami Muslim League leader Sheikh Rashid Ahmed told reporters after the meeting that the names of Dawood Ibrahim, Masood Azhar and Tiger Memon figured in the list. However, he did not say what course of action the meeting had suggested on India's demand to hand over the 20 wanted men.

Indian security officials have linked the Lashker-e-Taiba to the Mumbai attacks. Hours before the attacks, India has suggested during the talks between the home secretaries of the two countries in Islamabad that they should priorities action against persons for whom the Interpol had issued Red Corner Notices.

A Red Corner notice has been issued for Dawood Ibrahim, the alleged mastermind of the 1993 bombings in Mumbai that killed nearly 260 people.

Hafiz Saeed, an engineer-turned-militant ideologue, formed the Jamat-ud-Dawah after Pakistan banned the Lashker-e-Taiba. The Jamat has its headquarters at Muridke near Lahore and has stepped up its activities since Pervez Musharraf stepped down as President.

Masood Azhar, a Pakistani national, formed the Jaish-e-Mohammed after he was freed by India in exchange for passengers of an Indian Airlines flight hijacked from Kathmandu to Kandahar in 1999. Recent reports have suggested that the Jaish has stepped up its activities in Bahawalpur, where its headquarters are located.

Prime Minister Gilani has said that his government will consider taking action against Hafiz Saeed if evidence is provided against him. "Let the proof come and we'll look into it," he told a TV channel.

Asked if it would be a "goodwill gesture" if the Pakistan government arrested Hafiz Saeed, he replied: "We have assured full cooperation. Therefore the cabinet has decided for cooperation with India and a probe."

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Eliminate the nest of vipers! by Eddy on 03 Dec 2008

Pakistan is a bastard child of Mohammad Ali Jinnah. The sooner it is killed the better for the rest of the world. Today, terrrorists, international criminals and murderers like Dawood Ibrahim and his gang and other muslim mafia under-bosses use Pakistan as a base. They have made several successful attempts to undermine the sovereignty and integrity and economy of India. Indian leaders wake up from your geriatric slumber and remove this cancer once and for all. The citizens of India demand it. We will bear any hardship make any sacrifice BUT please ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Act now!!!!

HAMLA ON POK by INDIAN on 03 Dec 2008

AAKARMAN ON POK - THIS IS THE BEST OPPORTUNITY.This type we can show and solve both problem Kashmir and terrorist, Now this is very good opportunity, we have support of full world and Pakistan economy is also very week this time. This OPPORTUNITY will never come again.Did you seen Zardari words? The President ruled out any possibility of Pakistan and India going to war, saying "democracies do not go to war". We have to show him that we can do anything to save India and to save democracy. R u agrees Indians?INDIAN

AMERICA SHOULD ACT NOW by K. P. Pillai on 03 Dec 2008

INSPITE OF ALL THIS HUE AND CRY WORLD OVER, IF PAKISTAN PRESIDENT SHOULD MAKE SUCH A BOLD STATEMENT, IT IS EITHER HIJACKED BY THE FANATICS, TERRORISTS, ISI

we are good at empty threats by Nanthakumar on 03 Dec 2008

First of all when the navy and coat guard can concentrate on southern sea borders with srilanka to catch only tamil fishermen for no reason why did they not catch the culprits from kutch and its borders from pakistan.Were the Ib and navy and coast guards sleeping? for so many days. For us with one more cricket tamasha or with a Bollywood dancing sequence we tend to forget all these shortly. This is how we are grown up.Shame on our system first.

attack by SHAUKAT on 03 Dec 2008

WHAT WE CAN EXPECT FROM ZARDARI WHO IS FAMOUS FOR 10 PERCENT. IF HE WAS HONEST IMMEDIATELY HE WOULD HAVE SAID YES TO HANDOVER ALL THOSE 20 INTERNATIONAL TERRIORIST. MY DEAR INDIAN BROTHER

Terrorist attack by Vijay on 03 Dec 2008

Going for the war is only the option. My dear Indian brother, If congress cannot do this, then its time to unite against this politicians.

need guts by fighterjockey on 03 Dec 2008

Politicians of India(esp those in power) need guts and balls to handle the terrorist outfits. which they definitely don't have. These sheepish people have made it 'a country of cowards'.It take a lion's dare and grit to solve such an issue.Long live politiciansLong live democracy....

Stupid to ask them by Shukla on 03 Dec 2008

Are we going to hand them the terrorists whom they could named?They might Ask For Bal thackeraey and LK Advani.Although like them we knew these people are involved in 1000 of innocent people killing.But due to political mitve and pressure we can't handover them to Paksitan.How Can you believe that they can handover any person from there territory.[We could only Ask them to handover any Indian Born citizen who are present there].It is due to Bad wording used by our media [summoned] they have to back off there decision for sending ISI chief.Our media is acting very irresponsible by complicating the matter.We have to see Caught terrorist wearing orange band on his right hand which we all knows is whose symbol but non of our media has reported while it is reported on all Pakistani Channels.

how to fight the terrorism by manish bansal on 03 Dec 2008

war is not the solution it will bring more destruction and many mournful stories. we are already experiencing economic slowdown not ever experienced before.avoid the war.and force the pakistan to take the rein of pakistan from military establishment to the democratic ones by taking the initiave by handling the terrosists demanded by the india to the it.

suggestion by prashant agrawal on 03 Dec 2008

the denial of mr. zardari should be evaluated in the positive light.first of all we should collect the evidence to proof that kasaav ia pakistani nationalist.and instead of being provoked by the ant external comments we should convice the international community to bring monetary sanctions against pakistan.it will surely yield a positive response.

State less actors by nags on 03 Dec 2008

What kind of proofs are they asking for ... photo identify...drivers license or passports...this is the limit....India should do it the Israeli way...identify key targets ( not civilian )...and bomb them.. this is nothing but war...a stateless war if that is what the 'neighbours' want to call it.

pakistan game by satish on 03 Dec 2008

this is the only game by pakistan,in the meantime of aruqment ,he will deployed his army at indian border and might be again playing another game with innocent people of india..,why our leader demanding these terrorist,they have discuss with army people and take astep like america.....we are facing these terror since 1971 ,none kind of solution has been found aexcept innocent death in indai,we should take different kind of step such as suddenly attack at area of training centre of terroirist

Pak says 'no' to handing over Hafiz, Masood by Sanjeev Singhal on 03 Dec 2008

Dear readers,Pakistan is now becomes homeland for all antinations and terrorists for all over the world, not only for India.The immediate solution is to take a militry action against the training camps and supporters by a joint force under UN flag. Other wise it is very much possible that they( terrorists) could get help of nuclear veapons from the uncapable govt of Pakistan.

Zardari by R Patel on 03 Dec 2008

The Pak gov. is weak despite the knowledge that there are involved people , the gov.is afraid to take any action by giving deffernt pretexts.They they want to investigate and yet they say they have no proof. Ample proof has been provided.They are trying to evade answering the question action.

STOP FOOLING INDIA by VISHAL on 03 Dec 2008

DID YOU HEAR PRIME MINISTER SONIA GANDHI HOW PAKISTAN PRESIDENT RESPONDED TO YOUR SO CALLED DEMARCHE, OR YOU NEED AN INTERPRETER TO MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ASKING PAKISTAN TO HANDOVER TERRORIST IS A FOOLISH MOVE, JUST TAKE A NOTE OF MR ZARDARI AND DO NOT WAIT, JUST TAKE ACTIONS AGAINST 1ST THE TERRORIST THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN SHELTER UNDER YOUR NOSE (YES AFZAL GURU), HANG HIM TO DEATH THAN TALK FURTHER. DONT TRY TO FOOL PEOPLE OF INDIA, YOUR ARE ONLY A BLOODY POLITICIAN AND NOTHING MORE AND YOU ARE DOING THIS JUST TO ATTRACT VOTES, JUST GO TO HELL PRIME MINISTER- SONIA GANDHI (ACTING). JUST FOLLOW HER MR MANMOHAN SINGH- PRIME MINISTER (DUMMY). SARDAR KE NAM PAR KALANK.

India, take action, plain and simple by Anurag Pathak on 03 Dec 2008

India asking Pakistan to hand over terrorists is like the US saying to Taleban, "please be nice to us and hand over Osama and Zawahiri, please please please, pretty please!" What sort of rubbish India is indulging in?! The tolerance of the Indian public is already at a breaking point and the Indian government is infuriating and insulting them even more by begging in front of Pakis. JUST TAKE ACTION!

SHOW COURAGE by NIBI AUGUSTINE on 03 Dec 2008

Pakistan is a victim of terrorism is purely because of its own fault. Thay are reaping what they sow. India is a peace loving nation and never sponsored such coward acts of violence in any country. India should have the courage to attack the terrorist posts in Pakistan and make and end to terrorism. If America can be in Iraq and Afghanistan there is no reason why India cannot do it. And this should be biggest and the most effective beffeting reply to give to the terrorists.

Pak says 'no' to handing over Hafiz, Masood by TotalIndian on 03 Dec 2008

India sh'd launch simultaneous bombings of a few terror camps inside Pakistan. Also targeted assasinations of known terrorists inside Pak. Forget all the talk about peace process, collateral damage to innocents, etc. Let us put aside thoughts of war danger, nuclear response, and the like. We will deal with those when faced with them. The PRIMARY reason for the State's existence is to protect citizens from external and internal threats. Germsny was bombed to rubble to crush the Nazis.

Pak says 'no' to handing over Hafiz by Dr. Paras Deo on 03 Dec 2008

The News title should have been "PAKISTAN DISOWNS ITS CITIZENS : CALLS THEM STATELESS ACTORS"

Refusla of Pak by MOHAN DADDIKAR on 03 Dec 2008

Ther is nothijg surprising about the refusal of the Pakistant Govt. to hand over the criminals wanted in India but now given shelter in Pakistan. Pak govt knows that India is ruled by impotents and itheir threats and warnings are not to be taken seriously . The GOI will keep on lmakding some empty noises for some ltime, then forget about the entire thing till more Indians are killed in some terrorist aattck at some other place. A Govt which has not guts to hang a criminnal sentenced by the supreme court cannnot instsil any fear in any of our enemies..

Jihadi terrorism by Sunny Nair on 03 Dec 2008

What will our political eunuchs do now? I know, we should stop playing cricket with them that will surely teach them

Zardari's Rejection of Indian demache to hand over terrorists masterminds by Ganesh Joshi on 03 Dec 2008

This once again proves that what slippery and double standarded lier is Mr 10 percent that Asif Ali Zardari is. India should ignore his offer of joint investigation and go ahead with other options as a soverign country, come what may, including threat of first use of Nuclear Weapons by the Polityless rogue country that Pakistan is. One of the sure options is limited and pointed air stikes at the known hideouts and training camps inside Pakistan possibly in co operation with the America and Israel.This is not the time to think about vote bank politics which the Congress and its allies i.e.the so called secular parties. Otherwise the Congress may experience its worst debacle in the coming parliamentary elections. Another important step is to enact similiar law like "Right of Redention" like that in America whereby our concerned Agencies will be able to abduct the masterminds of terrorists from forign countries.

chakko ka desh by aaaaa on 03 Dec 2008

india a land of enunchs ...chakkas . shamless politicians no guts to take action

Stateless actors by akk on 03 Dec 2008

Interesting words. If India attacks these stateless actors inside Pakistan, the Government there should not consider it as an attack on State of Pakistan and should have no objection.

what a hypocrite by Kishore on 03 Dec 2008

See, the same old stories, which we have been listening since 1947. Give us the proof and we will deal with it. If, one doesnīt have the will and determined not to accept the proof then no one can give them the so called proof, they are looking for. I donīt understand when all the people involved were came from Pakistan and the lone terroist captured was a Pakistani and his confessions, what more one can give...What proof US has given to IRaq, when it went to war and what proof, US has given to Pakistan to field their own soldiers to fight with their friends Talibans... ofcourse US offered/offering money for the each dead soldier of Pakistan and by this Pakistan can able to survive. Zardari, who is neck deep corrupt and canīt even eligible to head a bunch of fools, has become President dramatically.Who will believe his twisted words? Itīs shame that Zardari is repeatedly saying terrosits live in Pakistan are not-state actors. Then whatīs the hell he is doing and promising the world...

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