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The names of trainers and the places where meticulous training took place are also known to the government, the sources said.
The United States is believed to have even more evidence some of which it has shared with India, they said.
Chairman of US Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen, who was in Pakistan on Wednesday, is believed to have told his Pakistani interlocutors that Washington had enough evidence to show a Pakistani hand in the attack, the sources said.
Sources also refuse to believe that the Pakistani army did not have knowledge of the Mumbai operation given that ISI is controlled by it.
At the same time, sources do not believe that the civilian government in Pakistan is involved in the attack. In fact, one view is that the civilian government itself may be a target of the strike which may be used by the army to heighten tensions with India to return to power.
Washington has asked Pakistan to crackdown on Lashkar-e-Toiba, which now goes under the name of Jamaat-ud-Dawa, and to arrest its chief Hafeez Mohd Saeed because it has evidence of their involvement in the attack, the sources said.
The attack was planned, equipped and organised in Pakistan where the terrorists were trained and provided logistical support.
Contrary to the version that the terrorists used a hijacked Indian fishing boat to reach Mumbai after sailing from Karachi, the view is that much more sophisticated means were used.
The sources spoke of a clear disconnect between the Pakistani civilian government and the all-powerful military establishment, which is causing difficulties for India in dealing with the situation.
Islamabad's about-turn on sending the Director General of ISI to India is cited as an instance of this disconnect.
During a telephone conversation Prime Minister Manmohan Singh after the Mumbai attack, President Asif Zardari had referred to an earlier Pakistani proposal for a meeting between the ISI chief and the head of India's external intelligence agency, RAW.
Singh told Zardari that this was acceptable to India, after which Pakistan government had announced that the ISI head would travel to India.
After a post-midnight call on Zardari by Army chief Gen Ashfaque Kayani this decision was reversed with the President taking cover under a ‘miscommunication’ with the Indian Prime Minister.
Instead it was decided to depute a Director-level officer to India.
When the terror attack took place Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi was in India and had consciously decided not to cut short his visit. However, the Indian government was told at 2.30 am that a special aircraft was being sent less than 4 hours later to take him back to Pakistan.
In what observers see as a clear message to the civilian government, the Pakistan army chief's plane was sent to Delhi to pick up Qureshi, who boarded the flight around 7 am.
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Start WAR on Pakistan to save INDIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have proof! So what? Will that be enough to stop Pakistani terrorists attacking India? NO. Does India expect other country to fight Indian war (on terrorism)? NO. India is still not US that can mobilize so much international support to outsource its own war on terror. Everyone else will show sympathy but will do practically nothing. India must fight its own war on its own. If we don’t do that, we should be prepared to suffer, as usual.
I remember bloody days in Punjab
India is terrorize the region more than any one else . It fought with LTTE and got humiliated , it supported the killers of king of Nepal and his family, it is a bad neigbor for Bangladesh. Time and again it fought war with it smaller neighbor ,Pakistan and now is trying to usrurp Afghanistan on a falls pretext of support and rebuilding and neither Chinese are happy with this sleepy monster. Furhter it's majority has already usruped the right of its own minorities through sham democracy Instead of blaming other for your trouble put your house in order first
How long are we going to keep showing proof and to whom ?? Instead of focusing on proofs, pointing fingers, arguing etc....India must act and act swift. IAF is very capable of making precision srikes on terror camps and hideouts. People of India are fed of talks, talks and more talks ! It is time to deliver a powerful blow to the terrorists. Let us show the world that we care for our citizens...and the innocents who lost their lives -- Our prayers are with those who faced these atrocities and those who lost loved ones.
With these proofs, India, USA, Russia,China, Europe etc. should send their soldiers to Pakistan to stop terrorism.The attack on Mumbai was an attack on the international community.
TAKE ALL THE PROOFS UP YOUR **S. Show some guts and spine, attack the camps. Decimate the camps once for all. Why the Government is always trying to scare people and do nothing. Every time they come up with some funny notion that terrorists are doing this planning that. My question is what are you doing, if you can not handle, quit some bodt else will do it. YOU CAN'T GON ON SCARING PEOPLE AND, DO NOTHING. SHAME ON YOU. JAI HIND!!!!!!!!!!!
Economy is Pakistan's Achilles Heel. They recently got some some begging money from IMF. Make them spend it all on military by starting an arms race. We will kill two birds with this. Our defense preparedness against China will improve and Pakistan will further fall into abyss. There is a reason Chanakya was born in this land.. Chanakya would have laughed and cried at the same time that people of his land are submitting proof to the enemy of their involvement in murder.
If ISI can be such a dreaded force, so can be RAW. Upgrade RAW and use them carry out covert surgical action against ISI. Neutralize Dawood and his cohorts. If poor ppl in Pakistan can go on suicide mission for Rs 100,000 then give him $200,000 to kill Dawood. Keep the Paki establishment busy by creating ruccus in Pakistan. Divide and Rule. Stop producing proofs.. no one cares for goddamn proof.
Every body knows that Pak terrorists are involved but Pakis will deny everything. Pakis deny that their left hand is somebody else's. PAKIS ARE FRAUD, India or even USA does not know them. Only ARABS know that Pakis are FRAUDS.
Who is US to mediate and interpret between India and Pak? Is it to save their skin in Afghan? How come they bomb in NWFP in Pakistan and killing innocents there in the name of hunting terrorists.Indians are bleeding in their heart, today. No more words ;only action. Indian army shall smoke the terrorists out of Pakistan. It is as simple as such. It is our head ache. US has no moral authority at all.
We cannot go to war with Pak without significant losses. The best thing to do is1. Stop all the water going to Pakistan from the rivers in India.2. Get the Pirates from Somali - in Gujarat and left them hijack every single ship going to Pakistan.3. Pardon Chotta Chetan and make him the Czar to prepare a top notch hit team to kill Dawood, the other twenty people in Pakistan. Any person who is against India in Pak is killed. 4. Don't do business any companies who wants to business in Pakistan.5. Most Dangerous of all - Develop friendship with Al Qaida as enemy of enemy is a friend - Al Qaida is fighting Pak Army - Support them to kill Pak Army..6 Work with Israel to bomb the nuclear facilities
India cannot act alone. War is not a joke. That doesn't mean that we should keep quiet and take this nonsense for ever. India, Isreal, USA and UK forces shd attack together. First we need to remove their Nuclear weapons. Then Pak cannot balckmail the nations with that.
Yes, I agree that there is a lot of pain and anger and the Indians are all out for revenge and an end to this never ending rein of terror. Not responding is an act of weakness and I don't want that to happen. Unfortunately the Pak civilian govt is not in control or rather has never been in control of the country. It's the Army and the Religious groups that run the shots and are not in anyone’s control. India giving proof and the like is all waste of time. The solution lies in selectively targeting the terror sites/ groups and also in the world boycotting Pak at all levels and reducing it to an economically miserable failed state and let the Pakis beg the world for the basics of food, shelter and medicine and come to their senses Until or unless this self realization does not come from the within waging a war will only be a short term solution.
Ok now take action. Stop repeating over and over again. Action. Stop beating the same tune. USA expects action. Politicians are buying time so they can run away from the back door. Right our coward emotionless PM who is knotted with that Sonia crap.
POK should Be handled over to India which is the breading ground of all the terrorists. US should take control of all the FAT states in paksitan. pakistan should be neutralised without a military and defence of Pak should be NATO's responsibility. Democratically elected government will be only responsible for social and economic development of Pakistan. Security, Law and order should be sourced to NATO forces
US is fooling us.What if Pakistan would provide some proof of our involvement of Marriott hotel Attack.IT is our security agencies Laps.Anything like that can happened from local or international terrorists.I feel very unsafe with our dirty politicians.They Even kill there own people for attacking or making conspiracies against Pakistan.[Like Sad Samjhota Express incident].Only Hindu extremists Parties not Pakistan have gained from these incident.We have now no believe on Our Navy if the story made by our media[such a joke that any boat from so far can come unnoticed] is true.
Is this the first time that India has proof of ISI's involvement in terrorists attack on Indian soil? Disgusting, impotent Indian government which for decades giving proof after proof but result is Zero. Pm is very honest and Sonia Gandhi is selfless but hell with people of India.
I think we the all Indians should have a minimumresponsibility of making an appointment for theterrorists with thye GOD.
I think we the all Indians should have a minimumresponsibility to make an appointment for theterrorists with the GOD.
We have been suffering this since centuaries and I don't have any hope that it will be improved. Just look at what Russians did in Chechenya, the U.S. did in Afghan, Israel did in Palestine........There is ONE AND ONLY ONE way to combat with terrorist......finish them at inception. All Madressa's need to be certified as an religious intituitions, Pakistan to be given an ultimatem to deliver terrorist NOW in 72 hours otherwise weak Pakistani Govt. will have to move out from the way of Indian army. To the leaders of India : DO SOMETHING FOR THE GOD SAKE. IF NOT THEN few more months to go by...again terrorist attack....innocent people on death bed.....Blood colored Indian soil...frightened citizens and working class people.....politician to set agendas for the next election.....STOP THIS ....STOP THIS.... FOR THE GOD SAKE!!
Pakistan Government and the army are just smiling at the incompetance of the Indian Government to respond to just 10 armed people it sent. They may even wonder why they did not send more say 50 and just finish Bombay from the map. They well understand that our politicians will not jeopardize their position by going to war. USA will not allow a war either. They may wonder what they can do next to up the ante and do more damage. After all they cannot improve their own lot but to get even they can bring India down and they have a natural ally in our Ploliticians and Bureaucrats. The politicians will ask for more money to fight terrorism and tax the private sector for this and use it to buy more luxury vans and protection for themselves in Delhi. They will get more coverrage in the Media and talk to people in the US Government with the results we have come to expect. India needs a new model for our Public Sector and how we elect our politicians. How can a Barak Obama emerge in India?
INDIA AND INDIANS SHOULD KNOW THAT IT IS OUT OF JEALOUSY THESE PAKISTANI'S AND ITS MULLAHS TRADING WAR, CREATING HAVOC. THE LATEST CIVILIAN NUCLEAR DEAL WAS PASSED AND INDIA ENTERED IN TO A NEW APPROACH TOWARD BUSINESS AS WELL AS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE WEST. WEHRE AS THE PAKISTANI'S ASKED FOR THE SAME NUCLEAR DEAL, AND THE USA REJECTED THIS. NOW THE EYES AND HEART OF PAKISTANI GOVERNMENT IS BURNING WITH JEALOSY AND HATRED. ALL THIS BITTERNESS IS ON TRADE AND BUSINESS. INDIANS SHOULD UNDERSTAND, THAT THE PAKISTANI'S ARE DIVERTING THE WEST TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR TRADE AND POUR MONEY TO THEIR BANK (FREE BEE). RIGHT NOW IT IS AT THE LOWET POINT. WHAT CAN CHINA DO FOR PAKISTAN.HENCE THIS TERROR APPROACH. NOW PLEASE INDIANS WE NEED THE WEST (USA).PLEASE LISTEN, LET US INCREASE OUR BEST RELATION WITH ISRAEL AND USA.GOD BLESS INDIA
Talking of obliterating Pakistan is childish. We need to go after the terrorist camps, like Israel does in Palestine, or the US in Afghanistan. We have done nothing for years even as we knew that there were camps in Pakistan. We (India) have sitting on our hands for years. If something like this had happened to Israel (another country with problems similar to ours), they would have bombed the heck out of the offenders. India lacks the political will (I want to use the word b--ls) to pursue military action, and this unfortunately has resulted in us being repeatedly taken for granted. Imagine all those people killed in Jammu and Kashmir. Several tens of thousands have died over the years. Bombay gets attacked and NOW we decide we want to act ?Laughable. Our politicians simply do not have the ba-ls to use military action.And we NEED military action. Targeted strikes against camps.
You all war mongers! dont play in the hands of US. These fellows want to fight there war in the subcontinet . Indian as usual are acting as subservients ,as they have been through out their recent history. Be wise let ISI be handled by RAW. after all what they are being paid for