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Thursday, November 19, 1998
"Pak is angling for third-party intervention"
For someone who had to face two years of unabated militant violence, Jammu and Kashmir Police chief Gurbachan Jagat is a remarkably unfazed and unflappable officer. News of successes and reversals faced by the J&K Police keep filtering into his heavily guarded office in Srinagar, and he appears to take everything in his stride. A former head of police intelligence in Punjab, Jagat is also a frequently encountered figure in the corridors of the Home Ministry and was in New Delhi last week to attend the all-India police conference. He spoke to RITU SARIN about the trends of militancy in J&K and the year ahead. Excerpts: Infiltration of militants into the state has continued at an alarming rate throughout summer. What are the implications of this?Infiltration is going on even this month and I estimate there would now be around 1,100 foreign mercenaries in J&K. After the nuclear explosions, Pakistan feels a conventional war is ruled out since there will always be a threat of nuclear strike. At somepoint, they want to raise the tension to a level that they can cry hoarse about nuclear war being inevitable and ask for third-party intervention. Their game plan seems to be to somehow try and get a third party to intervene in Kashmir. They seem to have gone into the New Delhi talks with the idea that nothing much will come out of them and therefore the pot should be kept boiling on the security front. And maybe at some point next year... There appears to be a trend of more Pakistani ex-armymen being sent into Kashmir for operations...Certainly, more ex-servicemen are coming in. Maybe even some serving army personnel. This is evident from interrogation reports and the communications we are getting on wireless sets, all of which show a higher degree of professionalism. Have you been able to confirm the presence of serving Pakistani armymen?Not as yet. But ex-servicemen, yes. We recently apprehended a Pakistani ranger who had come from that side. And there are many reasons for this. One isthat the recruitment of local Kashmiris is down and secondly in the post-Pokharan situation, they want to increase tension in the Valley and, maybe, indulge in a higher number of incidents with better-trained people. Thirdly, they have got people who are somewhat free from Afghanistan. We know Taliban was just a front organisation and more than half of them were regular Pakistani army people. Many have been freed from Afghanistan and may have landed in Kashmir. What is all this leading up to? Are you expecting a major offensive next summer?Normally, at this time of the year, a large number of militants go back. This year very few have gone back and they are holding on to certain areas. For example, they have not left Surankot (Poonj district) in spite of suffering serious setbacks. Similarly, they continue to hold on to certain parts of the Valley and Doda in spite of the approaching winter. Our feeling is they want to get used to the terrain, the language and people and then create majorproblems. What is important is that all these areas have been added to the Valley. It is not that the focus has shifted and the Kashmir valley abandoned. Is there a plan to pull out more Army and para-military forces from towns in the Valley?There has been no pull-out as such. The level of force in the Valley remains the same and if more force has been needed for Poonj, Rajouri or Doda, that additionality has come from outside J&K. There was some withdrawal from some towns and that is still going on. That decision was taken early this year that gradually as towns like Srinagar, Pulwana, Anantnag and Baramulla become more calm, the Army moves on to the border areas and the towns are policed by the J&K Police with the help of the CRPF. Far from reducing strength, we have added 12,000 more men in the J&K Police in the past two years and are gong to add 10,000 more in the next six months. The recovery of the RDX-loaded pilot-less aircraft has added a new dimension to the fight againstmilitancy...Let me clear the confusion about the aircraft: they are used for aero modelling but the fact that they were smuggled across the border and modified show what use they would have been put to. Experts have told us that the Japanese engines are very powerful and the starters very sophisticated. The aircraft has a cavity which can take up to 3 kg of explosives, can run to a distance of 3 km and fly at a height of about 1 km. And you can sit about 2 km away and guide it to its target. So definitely it has added a new dimension to VIP security or even providing security in crowded areas. Were you aware of the existence of these aircraft?No, this is the first time we have seen them. Within a day of the recovery, representatives of intelligence agencies from Delhi as well as senior IAF persons visited Jammu. They are going to conduct various tests. But what is clear by now is that the models have come from Pakistan since there are markings from Muzzafrabad. This was also evident from theinterrogation of a local militant who had told us that eight foreigners had come and left these packages behind. He then took us to a forest area and we recovered two, in knocked-down conditions, from a cave. We suspect that there may be at least another two. What could be an effective counter-attack for the aircraft? Could jammers be used?We are still in the process of devising an effective counter-attack. Jammers, of course, could be of help. How are you faring in the communication war against Pakistan? The Government is said to be importing a huge amount of sophisticated communication and surveillance equipment...We have always maintained that they are equipped with very good communication systems. They have the latest available in the West and in the last year or so, we too have upgraded our systems. The BSF and the Army are now talking about getting sophisticated surveillance equipment for the border, using thermal imagery to show infiltration a couple of hundred yards away. Thisshould be in place soon. Will it be cost-effective?Certainly. If we can bring down infiltration, then the costs we are put to today to get hold of these chaps once they have crossed the border will come down. Infiltration is the number one problem in J&K. Unless we bring down infiltration substantially, the problem will be an ongoing one since the terrain is such that you cannot seal the borders like you have done in Punjab and Rajasthan. What has been the success of the Village Defence Committees?They were set up about two years ago in the Poonj-Doda-Rajouri-Anantnag corridor, which they want vacated by indulging in minority killings. This is the corridor we want to protect with a security grid, of which the VDCs are a part. In Doda district alone, we have about 900 VDCs and the number will be going up further. This is also the case in other areas. The VDCs have been very effective and one test is that they are being repeatedly attacked by the militants. There has not been a single casewhere a VDC has been overrun. Of course, there have been some motivated complaints against them. Now, the Army has trained some VDCs with rudimentary tactics and we are in the process of also giving them some 500-odd wireless sets. What about the renegades or `friendlies'? The Home Ministry is said to have recently prepared a list of groups of former militants who should continue to get official support. Is this true?The renegades played an important role in the restoration of popular rule but they continue to be targeted by militants. In the past two years, some 400 have been killed. We still have a use for them and we owe them protection and rehabilitation. And we do have a list. Each organisation which is using the `friendlies' has been told about what remuneration and protection to give them. Copyright © 1998 Indian Express Newspapers (Bombay) Ltd.

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